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Ski Club Loses Domain Name to Sex Toy Site, Doesn’t Blame Others

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In the day and age where most companies and people blame others when they forget to renew a domain name (as is what appears to have possibly happened in Morehead, Kentucky), a Canadian ski club appears to have let its domain name expire and didn’t blame anyone else for the error. Unfortunately for Whaleback Nordic Ski Club, their domain name, Whaleback.ca, was acquired by a company   selling a sex toy.

As of November 29, 2009, the domain name was registered to a company called “Stag Lodge,” and the domain name was set to expire on December 1, 2009. On January 6, 2010, the domain name was registered to a different company. In an article found in The Western Star, the site’s webmaster, Jack Lamond, doesn’t go pointing fingers at others.

“Once you lose your Internet (domain) name, it belongs to someone else. That’s why you pay a domain name fee,” Lamond said.

It’s a shame the person in charge of domain registrations did not renew the domain name. As I always advise, ensure your credit cards on file are up to date, your domain names are set to auto-renew, and you check your emails from your registrar.

It appears that Whaleback Nordic Ski Club isn’t the only organization whose website was impacted by not renewing the domain name. A look at a cached page on the former Whaleback.ca website shows a link to a Stag Lodge Outfitters (StagLodge.ca), and that website now also has adult content.

That particular domain name was registered to the same contact as the Whaleback.ca website as well. Let’s hope he wasn’t responsible for any childrens’ websites or other important domain names.

Top Picks for the Targeted Traffic Conference Domain Auction

Rick Latona announced the final inventory with reserve prices for the live domain auction that will take place in Las Vegas on Friday, January 22nd at 4pm. Bidding can also be done online on the newly launched Latonas.com website. Below are my top 10 domain names (along with the reserve prices) that are included in the auction. You can see the full list on Rick Latona’s blog.

  • 320 Racehorse.com 30,000 USD to 40,000 USD
  • 390 GamblingTours.com 2,000 USD to 3,000 USD
  • 480      Meetings.com      200,000 USD to 250,000 USD
  • 620      CatFood.com      50,000 USD to 75,000 USD
  • 700      MotorcycleHelmets.com      50,000 USD to 75,000 USD
  • 770      SeniorCitizens.com      75,000 USD to 100,000 USD
  • 930      LongIsland.com      250,000 USD to 300,000 USD
  • 1140      AntiqueMotorcycles.com      20,000 USD to 30,000 USD
  • 1580      Actresses.com      40,000 USD to 50,000 USD
  • 2040      USBMemoryStick.com      500 USD to 750 USD

I didn’t check the Whois info on the names, so I don’t know if I know the owners or not.

What are your favorites in the auction?

IDN Series Introduction

When I was writing down a list of a few things I’d like to accomplish in 2010, learning about the IDN market was one of those things. I know of a few domain investors who invest in IDN domain names, but I don’t know enough about them yet to invest. In fact, as of right now, I don’t own a single IDN domain name.

One of my friends and business colleagues is Aaron Krawitz, publisher of IDNBlog.com, co-owner of IDNTools.com, and an expert in the IDN business. Aaron previously wrote a guest post about why he thinks IDN domain names are going to grow in value, and I asked Aaron if he could follow that up with a small series of posts that could break down investing in IDN domain names.

Beginning tomorrow, I will be posting a 3 part series written by Aaron and his colleague Gary Males. To give you a bit of background about the two authors, Gary Males first entered the domain industry with early acquisitions of .co.uk names. Aaron Krawitz made his first big splash in domaining when he bought a premium Portuguese and Spanish portfolio. Both investors were looking at global domains from the outset as they saw a valuable commodity and a large untapped world market.

As mentioned in the previous post about IDN domain names, both Aaron and Gary will be visiting the posts to answer any questions, as clearly I am not well-equipped to handle them. Thanks to Aaron and Gary for sharing more information about a market in which I am unfamiliar.

Tom Rask on the UDRP Process

Nat Cohen had a fantastic article about the UDRP process on Larry Fischer’s blog the other day, and it’s a “must read” for anyone that invests in domain names. The article has spawned discussions in private about UDRP defense and prevention, and it has been interesting to learn how other domain owners cope with this potential threat.

I received an email this morning from Tom Rask, of Logical Sites, whose company owns and operates websites on geodomain names including Sunnyvale.com, Sheboygan.com, Kenosha.com, and EurekaSprings.com. Tom offered some unique insight and advice, and with his permission and encouragement, I have posted the contents of his email below.

The basic problems with UDRP process are:

  1. It is a quasi-judicial process, not a judicial process.
  2. There is no accountability for WIPO or for the panelists.
  3. You can assert the fluffiest of common-law TM rights with impunity
  4. There is no monetary compensation for you if the opponent asserts an overly broad scope of use of their TM. They can “give it a whirl”, something they could not do so cheaply and with such impunity in a real TM court case.

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Illuminating example: a few years ago, I lost a UDRP case that I knew I was going to lose. I had registered wwwxyz.com, where xyz was the name of European multinational with over 100 K employees. I had good reason to want to really jerk xyz’s chain, reasons that don’t matter for the purpose of this discussion.

So I decided to be totally over the top. Luckily for me, the WIPO case administrator made clear procedural errors, so I had occasion to suggest to him and his boss that perhaps “he should return to his native Norway, where unions can be counted on to protect the incompetent”. When WIPO did not offer me an avenue of appeal for mishandling the case, I said that it is no coincidence that corrupt organization like the IOC and WIPO are both located in Switzerland because they know they are safe there. In the US, they would be prosecuted under the RICO act. “Switzerland:” I said “high mountains, low morals”.

I had a lot of fun and inflicted many, many manhours on my opponent, who probably wished they had just bought the damn name instead. I suspect that WIPO has me on a blacklist….:-)

So I lost, and the Panelist wrote this at the end of his decision “Finally, the Panel cannot leave this case without commenting on the behaviour of the Respondent, which has been a disgrace, a grotesque abuse of this administrative proceeding”.

I e-mailed the Panelist (an experienced UK TM attorney) and said: yes, exactly. I was abusing the process, and if I had done that in a court of law, the judge would not have allowed it. The Panelist told me that he had taken my case seriously, as he does all cases, and that he spent 70 hours on the case. I apologized for that.

The Panelist and became friends via e-mail. He agreed that it is a problem that there are no sanctions: no sanctions if WIPO or similar orgs don’t follow the rules, no sanctions against the kind of roiling rancor I had engaged in. And no sanctions if a Panelist just decided to suck up to his perceived big money trademark interests. So it can become a Wild West Circus very quickly.

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So what should you do if you get hit with a UDRP?

  1. See if you and your opponent can agree on a Panelist. In scania.mobi, my opponent incredibly agreed to my suggestion of using Diane Cabell as the sole Panelist. She is a very fairminded corporate counsel for Creative Commons (a great org) and formerly of Harvard’s Berkman Center for Internet and Society. Had she decide against me, I would have still felt it was fair.
  2. If you cannot agree, you can do what Nat did (in the LomaLinda.com UDRP): a 3-member Panel. But this is risky. You can still lose 2-1 by getting two people like Richard Page on the Panel. If you lose and then go to court, the judge may take the approach “why should I overturn WIPO”….even though a WIPO UDRP decision is not a judicial decision.
  3. If your name is actually important to you, consider filing in federal court in order to stop the UDRP process. Federal court is very expensive. Bad PR is also very expensive and your opponent will know that, too. Once the court case has been filed, asserting abuse on your opponent’s part, then you can talk to them. Now they know that you are mounting a vigorous defense.

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Nat won 2-1, and that is great. But my point is: he could just as easily have lost 2-1.
UDRP is a crapshoot that is best avoided.
I have also noticed that lawyers usually do no better at UDRP than mere mortals.
This is a not a slam against lawyers, just a reflection of the animal that UDRP is.

If you get hit with a UDRP case, I’d be happy to discuss it with you.

Rick Latona: Inside WeBuyWatches.com and New Consumer Division

When Rick Latona and I were chatting about business development a couple of months ago, he mentioned that his company was going to launch a watch website with a similar model to companies like Cash 4 Gold and others. Customers would visit WeBuyWatches.com and they would send their watches to Latona’s company in exchange for cash. It would be a quick transaction to allow consumers to trade their luxury watches for money.

I read an article on Fusible.com this morning (a site that provides good insight into what domain investors and others are doing with top domain names), and I followed up my conversation with Rick regarding his newest venture.

You’ve recently launched two consumer sites with Vino.com and WeBuyWatches.com. Are these long term plays, or are you looking to build these two business and sell them in the shorter term?   What else is in the pipeline?

They are definitely long-term plays. I’ve been an internet guy a lot longer than I’ve been a domain guy. In a lot of ways, I’m just getting back to my roots.

My business partner Ryan Steel and I have a lot of experience creating and working with revenue generating sites for other people and this is a focused effort to put everything we know into one high-quality site at a time.

Is WeBuyWatches.com solely a Rick Latona, LLC venture?

Many members of our team have a piece of the action but there are no third-party companies that are involved. For instance, Escrow.com isn’t involved. They are only on the whois record because the domain was purchased on payments over just a few months. The record will update soon.

Do you find that people are apprehensive about sending a high value watch through the mail to a company they don’t know? Does having a name like WeBuyWatches.com give you added credibility in the marketplace?

Some are apprehensive but we are getting through a lot of the objections. Honestly, I don’t think the name has much to do with it. This really isn’t a domain play. It’s basic internet marketing. After that its all about negotiating deals and helping the customers. This is a business in and of itself, just like Vino.com.

Our new consumer division has nothing to do with domains other than all of the sites will have one. If we don’t want to be in the business we won’t build the sites.

I know you closed AEIOU late last year, but would your company help build a business like this for other domain investors?

No. Honestly, there is too much that has to go into building internet businesses. These are full-time gigs with their own staff and expense structures. We are incubating our own properties and simply don’t have the time and resources to do them for others.

How has your experience as a pawn shop owner helped you with this site?

Heh. Tremendously! Without going into details I’ll just say that there’s a certain art to dealing with hard goods and customers in this sort of environment. It’s not something that can be mastered in less than a few years.

Can domain owners who invest in domains part time do something like this, and what would you advise someone who wanted to build a business like this?

There are different types of domainers. I was never the type to build a portfolio of names that generated healthy PPC returns. I fall in the category of domainers that buy and sell for a living. As far as I’m concerned, what I do is buy things to sell at a profit. I really don’t care if it is a domain or a Rolex. If you are a domainer and think like me than I don’t see why you couldn’t do something similar. Just find a niche other than watches because I don’t intend to leave much room. 🙂

How important is the domain name in this venture when compared to other things like SEO, marketing, customer service…etc?

It’s not important at all. We bought WeBuyWatches.com because we though the domain would make a good brand. To us, it is worth more than watches.com which would sound like a retail site. It’s all about SEO, marketing and customer service.

What else would you like people to know about the start-up and/or Rick Latona, LLC as it relates to consumer websites?

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Vino and WBW are a result of 3 months effort. Wait until we are fully rolling.

Holocaust Related Domain Names

Simon Wiesenthal CenterIn 2008, I was browsing through some names owned by Buy Domains and I saw a domain name that was related to the Holocaust. It wasn’t exactly an obvious Holocaust domain name, but when the term was Googled, the relationship was more than clear. I informed Pete Lamson (GM of Buy Domains at the time) about the domain name, and the company dropped it.

It was unfortunate that they dropped it, but I am sure they wanted nothing to do with this domain name once they realized its meaning. The unfortunate aspect was that it went to auction at Snapnames, and it had a number of bidders. After a few days, I came out on top and owned the domain name.

For a while, I just killed the DNS since I didn’t want to send the traffic to a Holocaust awareness website without their permission. I forgot about the domain name until a couple of days ago when I got a renewal notice. I did a bit of research on other domain names, and I saw that the Simon  Wiesenthal  Center owns Holocaust.com.

I reached out the the Whois contact and she mentioned that someone was kind enough to donate Holocaust.com to their Center. I then offered to give them the domain name I own for free, and they are happy to take it. I am very happy that this domain name will get a permanent home with an organization like the Wiesenthal Center.

If you have domain names that are hurtful or hateful, consider donating them to a non-profit group. Whether you ask for a tax write-off or not, I am sure they will appreciate your generosity.

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