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Tracking Down a Domain Owner

One of the most exciting aspects of being a domain investor is being able to track down a domain name’s owner. It’s one thing to email an offer to the Whois contact and then negotiate to buy a domain name. It’s a completely different feeling when I have to do some research on the domain owner when the email bounces and phone number doesn’t work. It’s almost more of a satisfying feeling that is tough to describe, but anyone who has gone the extra few miles to get a domain name knows how rewarding it is.

For this article, I am going to document how I am going to try to track down the owner of FarmersMarkets.com, a domain name I want to purchase. As I write this, I have no idea how the situation will turn out, but even if it doesn’t result in an acquisition, I can share some of the techniques I use. As you read this, keep in mind I am writing as I am working, so tense may be off a bit (sorry, grammar police).

FarmersMarkets.com is a domain name that doesn’t resolve. In 2008 and 2009, I sent 2 offers for the name, one of which was $5,000, and I didn’t get a reply (or a bounced email). I recently tried to call the Whois contact, but the phone number didn’t work.

I Googled the owner’s name (Mary Van Maren) in quotes and added the word “Whois” after the name.   There were just a few results, but I learned the owner also owns EmergencyAlert.com, WebmasterWeek.com, and NaturalOrganics.com. This is important because I like the first and last names, so if necessary, I can add those as part of the negotiation to get a better price.

When I did this search, I also found a big clue. There was an article in the Stanford Graduate School of Business online magazine about Mary and her husband’s cigar company, as well as her recent work history.   This tells me several things. 1) She went to Stanford, and it’s likely she doesn’t need to sell the domain to raise capital. 2) She owns a business that is unrelated to farmer’s markets. 3) Her company is called Cigar Locker, so I can probably call the business to get in touch. 4) The article was written in 1998, so much has probably changed.

I visited the Cigar Locker website, which was listed in the Stanford article. Unfortunately, this led to a dead end, as the website does not resolve for me. I did a Whois search of CigarLocker.com, and I found the domain name is registered to Mary’s husband (Kevin Foley) – or at least her husband when the article was written in 1998. This Whois listing has a different phone number. Phone number was disconnected when I called.

Since the Whois page had a website screenshot archived on it, I am going to visit Archive.org to see if I can get another phone number for the business from there. Perhaps the site is down, but the business is still operational, and the business line is different from the Whois contact info. I found an archived page from July 0f 2007, but unfortunately the phone number is the same. The copyright date in the footer is from 2004 – so it doesn’t look like that was updated much.

I did find one other clue on the archived website’s home page. I called the toll free number below the local number, and it was an answering machine for GiftBasket.com. Although the Whois information is private for GiftBasket.com, I did find that the Whois History showed that the husband of the owner of FarmersMarkets.com is/was the owner of GiftBasket.com as recently as January 2, 2010. The phone number is also different from the others, although I suspect it will call GiftBasket.com.   It’s worth a try anyway…   no dice.

Now I am going to try WhitePages.com, where I will search for the owner of FarmersMarkets.com and her husband to see if I can find a phone number.   The one thing I need to remember is that the addresses have been in California, and since I am in New York, I need to keep the 3 hour time difference in mind when I call. No dice when searching for her, but I did find a number for the husband, which is different than the other phone numbers. I tried several times, but the number is always busy.

I did another Google search for Mary with the city of Granite Bay listed. I found an interesting article about how she plans to start a VC fund and is hoping for $50 million in funding. Apparently, “she is very well connected.”   With this said, it’s really looking doubtful that my offer will mean enough to her to get her to sell. However, the article was written in 2000, so who knows what happened. I also found her ZoomInfo page, and the domain name for one of her companies, iConvention.com, is now owned by Name Administration… another dead end.

I did another Google search for the husband’s name and Granite Bay, CA to see what I could find. I found that he has another domain name, ChristmasShops.com. These people seem to understand how valuable generic domain names are.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to get in touch with the owner of FarmersMarkets.com.   I will keep trying to see what else I can find, but it doesn’t seem likely that I will be able to buy this domain name or make an offer. Of course, if I needed this domain name, I could always try to visit their home, but I think that can be a bit shady. A UPS/FedEx package with a certified offer might be worth trying.

What are some of the things you do to track down a domain owner to buy a domain name?

Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenjohnbryde/ / CC BY-NC-SA 2.0

Help Save the Life of a Friend’s Wife

Jen AustinOne of the people I admired most while in corporate America was a guy I worked for named Shawn Austin, who was (and still is) one of the best strategic thinkers and who is liked by everyone. Sadly, I recently learned that Shawn’s wife, Jennifer is battling leukemia, a cancer of the blood or bone marrow.

Shawn and Jennifer have two young children, and Jennifer is in need an immediate bone marrow transplant.   To be a donor, you need to be a 100% match, so a number of donor drives have taken place and are set up in the hopes of finding a perfect match for Jen. To test if you are a match, all that is needed is a bit of blood or a swab of cells from inside your match.

I hate giving blood and hate needles in general, but I am going to go to the drive on Saturday to see if I happen to be a match. I will be at the drive at the Berkeley Carroll School in Park Slope, Brooklyn at 10am. The first and only time I’ve been to Park Slope was when I sold ParkSlope.com a couple of weeks ago, so maybe that’s a sign.

If you have ever thought about getting tested or joining the Be the Match Marrow Registry (Marrow.org), why not check it out? You can learn more about Jennifer Austin and upcoming marrow donation events on SaveJen.com. There is a list of marrow drives being held around the country on the website as well.

IDN Series Questions & Answers

A couple of weeks ago,   Aaron Krawitz and Gary Males wrote three guest posts on my blog about IDN domain names and investing in IDN domain names: Diversify Your Domain Portfolio: How IDNs are Registered in Punycode, Translating Domain Names, and Our Story: Aliasing and Times Square.

I followed these articles up with questions that I have about investing in IDNs, and Aaron and Gary have been kind enough to supply the answers. If you have additional questions, feel free to add them to the comment section, and I am sure they will be answered soon enough.


– What is the best way to monetize IDN domain names, and do you find the RPC to be in the same vicinity as non-IDN domain names?

Buying and flipping IDNs is the fastest way to make the most money off of IDNs, and the same can be said for ASCII/Latin domains.

As for parking, the IDN parking industry is not yet that mature, and as such there is plenty of room for improvement, innovation and increased competition.   But it is a big misconception that parking IDNs isn’t profitable at all.   As previously noted here, depending on the keyword and whether the underlying country is wealthy, there are payouts to be had of $5 to $7 per click.

As such, most people park their IDNs.   Namedrive has particularly good landing pages as they not only serve native language ads but also translate the entire landing page, which includes categories and menu options. There are also many affiliate programs out there that cater to foreign niches but I don’t see them used that often.

– Which will be more valuable the IDN.com or the IDN.ccTLD?

It’s too early to call this one. But the answer no doubt will differ between markets and between ccTLDs.
In some countries, dot com is widely accepted and the ccTLD shunned, in other languages it is the opposite.
The questions is like predicting whether the dynamic will be closer to [English].com vs [English].us or [German].com vs [German].de, and it is too early to tell.
Personally, I have always advocated betting on both horses, and if your bets are hedged you can’t go wrong.

– What’s the best way to sell IDN domain names?

The majority of domainer to domainer sales occur at IDNForums.

I’ve personally been involved in brokering to non-domainer investors as well, which does not differ from selling ASCII/Latin domains.

We launched IDNNewsletter.com to bring some confidence to the process of buying IDNs, as we certify the translation of an IDN by using native speakers we work closely with.

I’m not aware of any mass brokering exercises in contacting native end users, but no doubt it is happening.   I think most people are waiting for awarenes of IDNs to peak.

– Do you know of any domain investors who have successfully developed IDN domain names, and can you share a few examples?

The most public example of a successfully developed IDN is a Thai language domain, you can read an in-depth case study here that explains how this site generated 68 million page views: http://www.idnguru.com/media/IDN_keyword_domain_search_success.pdf

– Is there a website that tracks IDN domain sales, what are the top tier IDN names selling for these days?

We try to manually track the publicly announced IDN sales here.

Of late a lot of top sales have been dominated by German language IDNs, those Germans certainly love their IDNs!

– How much are the best IDN domain names selling for, and are most of the bigger sales end user sales or domainer to domainer?

Whether you’re looking at DNJournal sale prices or emailing the owners of top IDNs, the best names are selling for six figures.   From my experience, the bigger sales are domainer to non-domainer investor. This makes sense in today’s economic climate where there is a lot of money on the sidelines looking for alternative investments (other than stocks or real estate).

– When you receive an inquiry on a IDN domain name in a different language, how do you overcome the language barrier?

It always helps if you have native speaking contacts to assist you of course, but in the absence of that I simply use Google Translate, and I suspect so does the other party.

Tools such as Google Translate are just fine for translating non-English to English paragraphs, and you will more often than not get a clear idea as to what is being said.

I am also often surprised how many non-English speakers can read English decently, but can’t speak or write it.

– What needs to happen to make IDN domain names more of a mainstream investment vehicle?

The short answer is “more traffic”.

The longer solution has always been a 3 part answer.

1) Compatible browsers.   The last mainstream browser (Internet Explorer) became IDN compatible when IE7 released in 2007 – so to a large extent this is a non-issue.

2) IDN.IDN (or full IDN as it’s come to be known). ICANNs efforts on IDNing the part to the right of the dot are moving at high speed, although it should be noted that there are procedural hurdles ahead, and speed is all relative

3) Awareness. The launch of new IDN ccTLDs and the publicity that will be generated locally on the ground should correct this.

– Do domain investors need to rely on domainer to domainer sales to make money with IDN domain names?

In the short term, until the above issues 2 and 3 are resolved, the answer for most people will be yes.

Aaron Krawitz of IDNBlog and Gary Males of IDNDemystified, are guest authors of this IDN series on ElliotsBlog.   Aaron and Gary co-own   IDNDroplist, IDNTools and IDNNewsletter.

Trade Show Update

Gift Show

This is a tradeshow update, but it’s not THE tradeshow update from Domain Fest that I plan to post tomorrow. My parents are in town for the New York International Gift Fair, which takes place a couple of times a year at the Javitz Center. How does this relate to domain names?

This afternoon while walking around the massive Javitz Center floor, I found a number of companies that sold unique dog-related products. I mentioned my Dog Walker website, and all of them said they would drop ship products for me. In addition, they could send me catalog quality photographs of their products to display on my website, and all but one would be willing to give me an opening order break (most companies require a large opening order to open an account).

Selling product (without touching it) is one other way to drive revenue, as I can sell dog bags, collars, leashes, and other things that dog walkers and owners would want. I will need to find an easy to implement e-commerce solution or contact one of the companies to see if they are able to assist with the shopping cart functionality. If that is expensive or time consuming to set-up, the incremental revenue probably wouldn’t be worth the effort.

Right now, I am looking through the show’s huge catalog, filled with a couple hundred pages of information. To me, the most valuable bit of information is contained on the category listing pages.   There are hundreds of different categories of product lines listed, and I am using this list to search for potentially valuable .com category domain names.

Although most of the categories listed (like soap and bath) are well-known, the list is a way to get fresh domain ideas. It’s also a way to see how many companies have products in these categories. If you own a category-type domain name, I recommend that you try to go to one of the industry tradeshows where you can network with people in that industry or vertical. It’s a way to learn about the industry, meet contacts, and maybe even sell a domain name.

When Using Ebay to Sell Domain Names is a Smart Move

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Ebay LogoI was once an active Ebay domain seller. This was before I knew about domain forums, and I knew relatively little about other domain sales venues such as Snapnames. I did fairly well selling inexpensive domain names on Ebay, although I haven’t done so in quite some time. I want to share one example of when using Ebay to sell domain names can be very smart.

I frequently hear about domain owners’ attempts to reach out to potential end user buyers to let them know a domain name is for sale at auction. Most of the time, the auctions are run on proprietary auction platforms managed by auction companies. In my opinion, this can be a big barrier for companies that aren’t familiar with domain auctions or the auction houses.

With tens of millions of accounts, Ebay is the most well known, and arguably most reliable online auction platform. They are trusted by buyers and sellers, and if a person hasn’t opened an account on Ebay, you can probably be sure they’ve heard of the company.

In lieu of listing a domain name for sale on a live auction, you might consider listing it on Ebay before contacting potential buyers. Buyers might trust Ebay more, and they will have more time to make a decision. I have not tried this method out yet, but I will do so and let you know how it goes.

iPad.com: New Millionaire About to be Minted Courtesy of Apple?

Apple iPadAfter considerable speculation and discussion, Steve Jobs introduced the new Apple iPad today in a press conference that received much fanfare. The iPad is a device that is a new category of computing systems that bridges the gap between the iPhone smartphone and the Macbook laptop.

If history is an indication of the current situation, Apple is going to want the iPad.com domain name, just as they own iPhone.com and iPod.com.   iPhone.com was also privately held before Apple paid a great sum of money for it, and iPod.com has been owned by Apple for quite some time (since at least 2001 according to a Whois history search).

iPad.com has been a privately owned domain name since 1997. The current registrant (Administrative Contact) is a person with a New Jersey address named Martine Bejasa. They don’t have much on the front side of the website, although it’s quite possible there is information for clients of the owner, as there is a client log in on the home page. The owners will probably get a ton of traffic, which will be expensive for server maintenance.

If I were to advise   Martine Bejasa, I would recommend selling the domain name for the million dollar plus offer that will be sure to come from Apple. The name probably can’t be monetized by the current owner enough to justify passing on an offer in this range. In addition, there is no guarantee that the iPad is going to be a huge success, just as Apple TV has not taken off. If that’s the case, the domain name will probably be worth much less than its peak value today.

Now is   the best time to sell iPad.com, and I hope the owners and Apple are able to come to terms in the best interest of both parties.

Update:

As Bill Hartzer points out in the comments below, the domain name is registered to a company called Enero 6 Corp, translated to January 6 Corp.   Apple and Jobs always seem to have announcements right around that time, so it’s conceivable that the domain name was already acquired by the company.

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