Buying Domain Names

Buy Domains: With No Money Down

One of the best things about buying domain names from NameMedia’s Buy Domains is that I can use my American Express card to make the purchase instead of having to pay with a wire transfer or ACH. Even better is that they don’t charge anything extra for using my AmEx. This is great for two reasons.

I get American Express Rewards points for my purchases. These points can be used for gift cards, hotel nights, upgrades, and many other great products and services. Since most of the acquisitions aren’t cheap, the points can add up quickly.

The biggest reason though, is that I can buy domain names that I plan to re-sell with what amounts to no money down, and I can re-sell them before I even pay off my credit card at the end of the month. Its like a no interest loan, which can’t be beat. Of course, this depends on where in my billing cycle I buy the names and whether or not I am able to make a quick flip, but generally speaking, it can give me at least a couple of weeks before having to actually physically pay.

Buy Domains is a company that I’ve been doing business with for a few years, and I am happy to work with them. Using my American Express card is one of the reasons for it.

Importance of Due Diligence When Buying a Domain Name

When you have secured a deal to purchase a domain name, especially one that has significant value, you need to do your due diligence. The most important research you need to do is to ensure the domain name is owned by the party that you think owns it, and the second is to make sure traffic/PR/directory listings and all other promises can be met.

In my opinion, ensuring a domain name is owned by the person/company you believe owns it is the most important thing. Having a Domaintools account allows me to search the Whois history for a domain name. If you are ever unsure of whether a domain name is rightfully owned, you should contact the previous owner to confirm that the name was sold. Phone calls are generally the best way to confirm it, although having an email record is also important.

You can sometimes use the Whois information to make sure a domain name is able to be sold by the contact person. Because some companies use their web developer or tech support company (or person) as the contact, even though you are dealing with the contact email, that person may not have rights to sell the domain name. If you are unsure or have questions, visit the website and contact the company directly (by phone). You can also Google the registered owner and contact the company c-suite offices or the executive listed.

Verifying other things like stated traffic, page rank, inbound links, or other promises is also important. You can ask to test traffic on your servers for a week to try and confirm that it’s “real” traffic and not bot traffic. You can also use free traffic check services like Alexa or Compete. There are a variety of ways to check page rank (like the Google tool bar or   many websites that can be found by searching “page rank checker” in Google). Finally, inbound links can be checked on Yahoo’s Site Explorer.

Do your due diligence before buying a domain name. A few extra minutes of research can save you a lot of money.

FitnessTrainer.com: Why I Stopped Bidding & Some Buying Advice

Fitness TrainerWhen I was looking at Snapnames the other day, I saw an auction for FitnessTrainer.com, and I placed a bid on it. The domain name went to auction on Thursday afternoon, and the auction continued for a couple of hours after its original close time, with 5 minute extensions following last minute bids. FitnessTrainer.com ended up selling for $20,888.

Had I won the domain name, my plan would have been to build it in a similar fashion to DogWalker.com and CatSitter.com. I opted to stop bidding for a couple of reasons. First, the price was more than I wanted to spend on a directory domain name right now. Second, and the reason I am writing this post, is because I wasn’t sure if enough people were called (and known as) fitness trainers.

When buying a great domain name like this, it’s important to dig deep into the numbers and actually think about the usage of the name. There are a lot more listings in Google for “personal trainer” than “fitness trainer,” and the Adwords keyword tool indicates that many more people perform searches for fitness trainers than personal trainers. When you are buying a domain name like this, think about the term and how it is used in every day by the people who will be visiting the site and/or advertising.

I still think FitnessTrainer.com is a solid name, but I couldn’t justify the price because so many people refer to fitness trainers as personal trainers. At the end of the day, there would still be great interest in the FitnessTrainer.com domain name and term, but my model wouldn’t have been able to justify the price.

Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/positivelyfit/ / CC BY-SA 2.0

Don’t Give Up a Deal Over Pennies

It’s always important to get a great deal when trying to buy a domain name to flip, but if you like a name at a rough price range enough to consider buying it, don’t fret over a few percentage points. From experience, I hesitated on a deal that I now regret not making.

I recently tried to buy a domain name for several hundred dollars, and the negotiation came down to the owner wanting $100 more than I wanted to pay.   With escrow fees, it would have been less than a couple hundred dollars more, but I thought (and still think) the name is worth between $2-3,000 on a quick flip. I ended up walking away from the deal because I thought the seller would figure that having my cash would be better than keeping the domain name he hasn’t sold in 8+ years of ownership.

It’s needless to say, but I checked the Whois today (several weeks later) and the domain name has changed hands. Perhaps someone else saw that the price was lowered or maybe the owner became motivated to sell it. Whatever the case is, I am sure I couldn’t buy the name today without greatly overpaying. It’s my loss, but an important lesson for people who are privately buying domain names.

If you see value in a domain name, get the best price you can, but don’t fret over a couple of percentage points. If the domain name is worth what you think it’s worth, and you are fairly close to buying it but just can’t hammer out the exact deal you want, think about what happens if the owner sells it to someone else. If you’d regret it, you should probably jump on the name.

Domain names are one of a kind, unique assets. When they are sold to a developer, end user, or unmotivated seller, you will lose your chance to get a deal. If your gut says to buy it, don’t hesitate to pull the trigger, even if the deal isn’t perfect.

Tracking Down a Domain Owner

One of the most exciting aspects of being a domain investor is being able to track down a domain name’s owner. It’s one thing to email an offer to the Whois contact and then negotiate to buy a domain name. It’s a completely different feeling when I have to do some research on the domain owner when the email bounces and phone number doesn’t work. It’s almost more of a satisfying feeling that is tough to describe, but anyone who has gone the extra few miles to get a domain name knows how rewarding it is.

For this article, I am going to document how I am going to try to track down the owner of FarmersMarkets.com, a domain name I want to purchase. As I write this, I have no idea how the situation will turn out, but even if it doesn’t result in an acquisition, I can share some of the techniques I use. As you read this, keep in mind I am writing as I am working, so tense may be off a bit (sorry, grammar police).

FarmersMarkets.com is a domain name that doesn’t resolve. In 2008 and 2009, I sent 2 offers for the name, one of which was $5,000, and I didn’t get a reply (or a bounced email). I recently tried to call the Whois contact, but the phone number didn’t work.

I Googled the owner’s name (Mary Van Maren) in quotes and added the word “Whois” after the name.   There were just a few results, but I learned the owner also owns EmergencyAlert.com, WebmasterWeek.com, and NaturalOrganics.com. This is important because I like the first and last names, so if necessary, I can add those as part of the negotiation to get a better price.

When I did this search, I also found a big clue. There was an article in the Stanford Graduate School of Business online magazine about Mary and her husband’s cigar company, as well as her recent work history.   This tells me several things. 1) She went to Stanford, and it’s likely she doesn’t need to sell the domain to raise capital. 2) She owns a business that is unrelated to farmer’s markets. 3) Her company is called Cigar Locker, so I can probably call the business to get in touch. 4) The article was written in 1998, so much has probably changed.

I visited the Cigar Locker website, which was listed in the Stanford article. Unfortunately, this led to a dead end, as the website does not resolve for me. I did a Whois search of CigarLocker.com, and I found the domain name is registered to Mary’s husband (Kevin Foley) – or at least her husband when the article was written in 1998. This Whois listing has a different phone number. Phone number was disconnected when I called.

Since the Whois page had a website screenshot archived on it, I am going to visit Archive.org to see if I can get another phone number for the business from there. Perhaps the site is down, but the business is still operational, and the business line is different from the Whois contact info. I found an archived page from July 0f 2007, but unfortunately the phone number is the same. The copyright date in the footer is from 2004 – so it doesn’t look like that was updated much.

I did find one other clue on the archived website’s home page. I called the toll free number below the local number, and it was an answering machine for GiftBasket.com. Although the Whois information is private for GiftBasket.com, I did find that the Whois History showed that the husband of the owner of FarmersMarkets.com is/was the owner of GiftBasket.com as recently as January 2, 2010. The phone number is also different from the others, although I suspect it will call GiftBasket.com.   It’s worth a try anyway…   no dice.

Now I am going to try WhitePages.com, where I will search for the owner of FarmersMarkets.com and her husband to see if I can find a phone number.   The one thing I need to remember is that the addresses have been in California, and since I am in New York, I need to keep the 3 hour time difference in mind when I call. No dice when searching for her, but I did find a number for the husband, which is different than the other phone numbers. I tried several times, but the number is always busy.

I did another Google search for Mary with the city of Granite Bay listed. I found an interesting article about how she plans to start a VC fund and is hoping for $50 million in funding. Apparently, “she is very well connected.”   With this said, it’s really looking doubtful that my offer will mean enough to her to get her to sell. However, the article was written in 2000, so who knows what happened. I also found her ZoomInfo page, and the domain name for one of her companies, iConvention.com, is now owned by Name Administration… another dead end.

I did another Google search for the husband’s name and Granite Bay, CA to see what I could find. I found that he has another domain name, ChristmasShops.com. These people seem to understand how valuable generic domain names are.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to get in touch with the owner of FarmersMarkets.com.   I will keep trying to see what else I can find, but it doesn’t seem likely that I will be able to buy this domain name or make an offer. Of course, if I needed this domain name, I could always try to visit their home, but I think that can be a bit shady. A UPS/FedEx package with a certified offer might be worth trying.

What are some of the things you do to track down a domain owner to buy a domain name?

Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenjohnbryde/ / CC BY-NC-SA 2.0

Be Aware of a Domain Name’s Previous Business Activity

One of the most favorable things I look for when acquiring a domain name is a note on the homepage that says the company is no longer in business – or a default hosting page after knowing there was previously a company’s website on it. Businesses go under all the time, but the underlying domain name could still be a valuable asset the former owners don’t even realize has significant value.

I was looking at a domain name that I would like to acquire this morning, and it has all of the signs that it could be available for the right price. There is a note that says the company, which had been in business for 75 years, had closed 6 months ago. The email addresses were bouncing, and the phone numbers weren’t working. This got me excited, as I love tracking down a domain owner. This is similar to how I was able to buy Customs.com a couple of years ago… good research to find a former partner in the firm.

While concurrently doing due diligence on the domain name of interest and doing some research to find contact information for the former President of the company, I came across a website that had consumer complaints about the company. Some of the complaints were pretty harsh:

  • “This place is a disaster”
  • “their behavior has been totally unprofessional”
  • “my advice is to stay away.”
  • “Won’t be visiting… or ordering from their website again”

Although the company was in business for 75 years and these comments may be accumulated over time, it’s still good to be aware of these comments that can easily be seen by anyone who does a Google search for the domain name. The domain name has a dual meaning, so it wouldn’t be used in the same way as it was before, but there are still a few websites with negative comments, and people might infer that they are about a new website that would be built down the road once the site launches.

Although most people would recognize the difference between what was there and what would be built there, some potential advertisers could see the complaints and simply pass on advertising. Domain investors need to keep in mind that comments about a business on a domain name could have a detrimental impact on the domain name’s value.

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