Geographic Domain Names

.CO vs. .Net for Geodomain Names

There seem to be quite a few people adamantly opposed to investing in .CO domain names for various reasons. There are also plenty of people who believe .CO domain names are great investments, both in terms of current value and future valuations. I am of the belief that .CO domain names will become valuable in the future (I have a 3-5 year timeline).

That being said, I am wondering your opinion on .CO vs. .net for geodomain names.  This is clearly hypothetical, but would you rather pay more for Boston.net (currently on auction at Sedo) or likely pay less for Boston.CO, which does not appear to be on sale but I will use it for the sake of this question?

I know that some people think .CO would be a nice hack for cities in the state of Colorado, but I am just wondering how you’d rate city .net vs. city .CO domain names. Please vote in the poll below and feel free to discuss.


Boston.net on Auction at Sedo

SedoThere was an article in this morning’s Boston Herald about the Boston.net auction currently taking place at Sedo. Although the owner had turned down nearly 50 offers for this domain name via Sedo, it’s now for sale in an auction, and the reserve price  is somewhere between $10,000 – $24,999.

The current bid price is $13,800, and the auction ends on Thursday, April 28, 2011 at noon (eastern).

I am  bit partial to Massachusetts geodomain names, although .net wouldn’t be my first choice for a geodomain name. However, I think this .net is particularly good, and the reserve price range seems to be excellent for it. My prediction is that this domain name will meet the reserve price and sell at auction.

As you are probably aware, Boston.com is owned and operated by the Boston Globe, and it’s my main source of news and sports information. As a Boston sports fan, I am on Boston.com many times a day.

Earlier this year, Telepathy, Inc. put Massachusetts.com on the market, also using Sedo as the broker.

GeoDomain Interview on Domain Sherpa

Last week, an hour-long, wide ranging interview I did was posted on DomainSherpa.com. This interview touched on quite a few topics, ranging from domain acquisitions and sales to my development projects.  I think it’s a bit on the long side, but based on the feedback I received, some people have been able to learn from it.

As we concluded the interview, Mike Cyger asked me if I had time to discuss geodomain  acquisitions, and I obliged. You can find my interview about geodomain names and development on Domain Sherpa this morning.

I’ve bought and sold quite a few geodomain names in the last few years (Burbank.com, Lowell.com, Newburyport.com, Salinas.com, Secaucus.com, Weymouth.com, Rustenberg.com, and many others). I’ve also developed a few, and Lowell.com currently makes a few hundred dollars a month and gets over 12,000 visitors.

The interview touches on valuation, acquisition, sales, as well as on development and monetization. I am the first to admit that I’ve done a better job building and driving traffic to my geodomain names than monetizing them, but I discussed why I don’t think I’ve done a great job on making money with them.

I don’t consider myself an expert geodomain developer, but I’ve done a fair job in the space. Hopefully this interview will give you some insight into geodomain investing.

Get The Long Tail Names for Your Website

I know there are a lot of domain investors who have developed one or more websites, and many have seen success in terms of traffic and advertisers for one or more website. I want to make a suggestion to those of you who may have local directory sites for national services or products, and I will use DogWalker.com as my example.

If possible, you should consider hand registering long tail domain names to help drive traffic to your site. You can either build mini sites (which I do not do) to drive traffic to the main site, or you can do a 301 redirect, which won’t give you much SEO value, but they could drive traffic to your site.

I own domain names like PhiladelphiaDogWalking.com, LasVegasDogWalker.com, CharlotteDogWalkers.com, and many other large city names that are related (all hand registered). These names are all forwarded to the main page on DogWalker.com for each city, allowing type in traffic to find the page they want.

Here’s my rationale. I pay under $10 for a hand registered domain name. I also pay Adwords somewhere between $.75 and $1.75 or so per click, depending on the keyword. Assuming I get 8-12 visits a year, the names pay for themselves. It’s great because when someone types in LasVegasDogWalker.com, it’s very targeted traffic.

In addition, these names also have intrinsic value to others as well, since they’re descriptive domain names. In other words, I could sell any of these names if that will be beneficial to my business. Perhaps I could sell a name like BrooklynDogWalking.com to a company in Brooklyn for $1,500 and an annual listing on DogWalker.com + a link back. I haven’t done this yet, but it’s a possibility.

To be totally truthful, I don’t have a way to track the traffic from these domain names since they are 301 redirects. However, when I had them on WhyPark, most did receive a few visits a month, so I can assume that traffic has continued.

I recommend you look into doing this. I know some of my competitors are doing the exact same thing, and I am sure yours are as well.

Connecticut.com and Redmond.com for Sale

HuntingMoon.comDomain brokerage, Hunting Moon, just announced that it is the exclusive broker for two stellar geodomain names: Connecticut.com and Redmond.com. As far as I can tell, this is the first time these two private domain names have been on the market for sale.

Although the state of Connecticut is small, the real estate values in many areas of the state are quite high. Connecticut is home to two casinos, Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, and there are quite a large number of hedge funds that call the state home (as well as hedge fund managers). The asking price on Connecticut.com is $650,000.

Redmond is a city of just over 50,000 residents in the state of Washington. The city may be best known for its largest corporate inhabitant, Microsoft. The state has a fairly high household income level, and it is a growing city. The asking price on Redmond.com is $150,000.

For more information about these two geodomain names, please contact Hunting Moon CEO Evan Horowitz via email:  info@huntingmoon.com or on the phone:  415-750-2570.

Just recently, Telepathy hired Sedo to broker the sale of Massachusetts.com, and I believe that domain name is still currently on the market.

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Burbank.com Update from Fred Mercaldo

Burbank, CaliforniaA little over a year ago, I announced that I had reached an agreement with Fred Mercaldo and his team to utilize the City in the Box platform his company created and operates. This would allow me to focus on other areas of my business while Fred and his team managed Burbank.com.

In subsequent posts, I’ve promised to provide an update about working with Fred and his team, and I am happy to do that today.  Burbank.com officially launched on the new platform in June of 2010, so it’s been a little over 7 months so far. Fred provided the comprehensive update below, although I asked him not to use the actual numbers since my business finances are private, and I have no need to share them publicly.

Before getting into that, I want to mention that the site made only a couple hundred dollars per month when I was managing it. I did a good job of growing traffic, but selling advertising has never been an interest of mine, and I didn’t do a great job at it. Also, in addition to any revenue mentioned by Fred below, my company is also making mid $xxx a month on the job board and hotel reservations.

Fred’s Update:

Elliot, I’d like to share with you and your Blog participants about the progress and monetization of Burbank.com.   Last summer, we completely changed the platform over to our City In The Box software solution.   Additional time went into the project, as your existing site was indexed very well, and we did not want to lose any of the optimization that was present.

Marketing Burbank.com became part of our Citiesplanet overall marketing efforts that support close to 60 City.com websites.   Our monetization goals at first mirrored our successful game plan that built Scottsdale.com, including the following:

  • Developing exclusive relationships and partnerships within certain verticals, such as Real Estate, Hotels, etc.
  • Building a “Premium Listing” strategy allowing business to upgrade their listings on the Directory Pages.
  • As an incentive to do business with Burbank.com, offering businesses Feature Story and Feature Interviews on the Home page….which gives them excellent exposure, but also provides much needed unique content for the site.
  • Partnering with local media to promote and publicize Burbank.com with trade deals, such as local newspapers, magazines, radio, etc.

We knew that marketing from a central location in Scottsdale, rather than having a strong local presence directly in the Burbank area, would not be as effective, however we would also not have the expenses and overhead necessary in staffing a local office.

We developed custom Media Kits and email presentation templates for use with Call Center personnel, utilizing Exact Target as our email partner, and SalesForce as our CMS software.   While waiting for the Call center to begin, I entered discussions with many potential advertising partners that would benefit from national advertising on our network.   This was new territory for me, as all of our past success was based on LOCAL, however with a good national base of 60 cities, I thought it was a natural and obvious move.

While we were successful in signing some decent contracts, my production fell short of my goals, and the #1 reason was traffic; since most of our sites launched in the past 2-12 months, traffic was in the 250,000-300,000 uniques per month range.

I then began communicating with the many large “local directory….city guides” types of companies in the market, and was successful in forging a relationship with LocalGuides.   During the “getting to know each other” phase with LocalGuides, the Call Center I contracted with started and stopped within 2 weeks.   This had nothing to do with the process or feasibility of marketing the Premium Upgrades from a central Call Center; it is being done successfully every day by many companies; but nevertheless this Call Center failure was a setback.   It turned out to be a poor choice of partners on my part.

Meanwhile, we were slowly but surely increasing revenue each month across the network from various sources.   National network advertising deals were providing $4,000-$6,000 per month in revenue. Recurring advertising contracts made by my sales staff were totaling $17,000 per month across the network…..some of which are split evenly among the 60 sites; some are split via a percentage of monthly traffic, and some are exclusive to a specific site.

We have signed numerous advertising deals for Burbank.com….a few restaurants, some premium directory upgrades, etc.   We have implemented numerous monetization platforms such as YP for the Directory (and we still can sell Premium Upgrades), an Employment partner, an Apartments partner, hotel deals with IHG and Priceline, and take advantage of Google Display advertising.   LocalGuides provided numerous partnerships for us, and we were able to take advantage of their 4 million monthly visitors “buying power” and I’m convinced our deals are the best.

We have finally convinced Universal Studios to give us a serious look, and this relationship looks promising.   A relationship with the local paper also looks promising, and we have been pursuing this since last summer.   We are adding additional deals onto Burbank.com, such as GolfNow for tee times, and others in negotiations right now…all of which will contribute to the monthly revenue.   We have been successful in working with the City of Burbank, as they regularly contribute to articles and our Calendar of Events.

Next month, CitiesPlanet is launching a Syndicated Featured Columnists section that will appear across over 120 city and state.com brands, along with the entire LocalGuides network of over 4 million viewers per month.   There will be 16-20  weekly articles on features such as ARTS, FASHION, GREEN LIVING, HEALTHY LIVING, TECHNOLOGY, etc. and our list of participating partners, writers and sponsors are impressive.   Since this is about Burbank, I will only say that this feature will generate Burbank.com $500 to $1,000 per month in the 2nd quarter, with the potential to be much more as the year progresses.

We have another Call center we are in discussions with, and we will see how this goes.   We continue to search for the right Real Estate partner for Burbank.com, and I am disappointed that we have not been successful on this category.   Overall, things have taken longer than expected, however the progress is real.

Between local advertising, YP, Employment, Paid Content, national advertising, Apartments, Hotel, Google  display ads, and other various initiatives,  we are generating $x,xxx per month….on our way to $xx,xxx per month (numbers omitted per Elliot).   We also plan on hiring a direct salesperson full time to service and build from the base we  have created…hopefully by the 3rd quarter.   I know many people have been asking, and I’m glad to share this update.

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