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BikeAmsterdam.com: Trade a Domain Name for a Bike

In the last several months, I’ve picked up a new hobby – biking. Although it’s not easy biking around New York City (except in Central Park, which can also be a nightmare), I have enjoyed taking my bike out for long rides. As a result of this newish hobby, I’ve rented bikes on recent vacations as a way to explore a city.

After my last trip, I did a few searches for city-specific biking domain names, and I saw BikeAmsterdam.com had expired and was set to go to auction. I backordered it, and after a short three-day auction, I won the domain name. I don’t plan to develop it, but with biking being such a popular thing in Amsterdam, I think the name is valuable to any company that rents bikes or gives bike tours.

I sent out a number of emails to bike tour companies in Amsterdam last night, and I already received a couple of inquiries in response, so now it’s just about making a deal that works for both parties. I made a special offer to the bike companies who presumably have the ability to purchase bikes at their wholesale price:

BikeAmsterdam.com will either cost $3,000 USD or I will trade the domain name for a new road bike. The three choices are:

You may notice the MSRP is actually less than the $3,000 price for all three bikes. I know this, and it’s intentional. I want to see if I can trade a bike for a domain name. If anyone is interested in this opportunity, the domain name is still available until a deal is worked out.

Thoughts on the e.CO Auction

I know there is an active discussion about the e.CO auction happening on Mike’s Blog and TechCrunch, but I want to share my thoughts on it because I have a unique perspective. It was reported that B52 and its CEO Lonnie Borck won the domain name for $81,000. Lonnie is one of my closest colleagues in this industry as well as a good friend outside of the business, and I was with him at the auction and after.

In my opinion, this was a very strong speculative acquisition. The .CO registry and it’s registrar partners are spending a lot of money on marketing the extension to ensure consumers know about it. .CO makes total sense for companies to use, and in fact, many companies use similar extensions in other countries – think .CO.UK and .CO.IL. I already gave some of my thoughts on .CO.

With the news that Twitter will be integrating T.CO into its system as the preferred URL shortener, and that there are many applications for the .CO Founder’s Program as well as already awarded domain names (Angel.co and Disrupt.co as examples), I think .CO is going to be big. As a one character domain name in this extension, E.CO will be worth much more than the purchase price assuming things play out like we believe they will, although Lonnie’s team acquired this domain name for a specific reason and may not be inclined to sell it.

I want to address a couple of comments made about Lonnie in the two aforementioned articles.

1) Regarding the charity being kept private: Lonnie is a fiercely private person, and he does not wish to disclose the charity recipient(s) publicly. Some people like to flaunt who they support and by how much, but that’s not Lonnie’s way to do things.

2) Regarding Lonnie’s smarts in this space: Keep in mind this public information – his company sold Scores.com for $1,200,000, owns Funding.com, Bookmarks.com, Shock.com, Winter.com, Camera.net, and Baby.net. He also owns a number of other considerable domain names that aren’t publicly known.

I think the acquisition of E.CO was a shrewd investment, and the charitable organization(s) that will benefit will certainly be very appreciative.

The “Winner” Is…

I want to thank everyone who took the time to post a comment in my blog post about trying to help someone buy a domain name to sell to an end user. I think that post had more comments than just about any other post I’ve written. I apologize for the delay in announcing this, but I’ve had a lot of emails that needed attention after my trip.

I don’t really want to say “winner” because it’s not a competition, but I can’t really think of a more appropriate term for the person who was randomly selected. I will hopefully be able to work with this person individually using our combined knowledge and experience to register a domain name that will be coveted by an end user buyer, and if things work out, the name(s) will sell for a few hundred dollars. At the very least, this person will learn how I research potential acquisitions and then find buyers for them.

Without further interruption, the person who was selected is Alan Patrick. I will be sending Alan an email tomorrow morning to let him know personally about this, and I look forward to begin working on this early next week.

Pros and Cons of Selling New Registrations Cheaply to End User Buyers

Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve written about a few of my recent end user sales on new registrations that were for less than $1,000 each. A couple of people have made comments and sent emails asking about whether these lower value sales are worth the time and effort when it can take a similar amount of time and effort to sell a much higher value domain name at a significantly higher profit. These comments are worth addressing because they are valid concerns.

One of the primary reasons I became fascinated by the domain investment business was because I could virtually create something from nothing, pay around $10, and sell the name to someone else for a nice profit. Much like some people go on vacations where they can dig for gold, hunt for gems, or search for other objects of value at a minimal cost, domain investing at this basic level is exciting to me.

Don’t get me wrong, my company wouldn’t be around if it wasn’t for the high dollar sales, but I enjoy creating names after doing research and then flipping them for a large profit.

Below are a few pros and cons to consider regarding selling new registrations to end users:

PRO: When buying newly registered domain names, there is far less risk than paying $5,000, $10,000 or $50,000 for a domain name in the after market. If it sells for anything over $10, I will make a profit (not considering the cost of my time to research, contact, negotiate, and transact).

CON: If a newly registered domain name sells for $1,000, there’s a huge profit margin, but the actual realized profit would not be enough t sustain my business unless there was a significant number of these sales each month.

PRO: There is very little carrying cost to domain names that don’t sell. If I buy a $10 name and email 30 companies who don’t express an interest, the cost to maintain the domain name is just $10 a year, and I can later decide whether it’s worth keeping.

CON: Although I don’t usually (well, ever) purchase dozens or hundreds of domain names at a time, I know there are plenty of people who do.   Despite the fact that a domain name can cost $10 to register, if you own dozens, hundreds, or thousands of these new domain names that generate no parking revenue, the carrying cost on virtually worthless domain names can be considerable.

PRO: It’s fairly easy to find decent unregistered domain names that would be coveted by companies in those specific markets.

CON: It can be very easy to go overboard, purchase thousands of dollars in domain names that don’t receive any interest from potential buyers, and those thousands of dollars could have been spent on one very good domain name.

PRO: Making the decision to buy a $1,000 domain name can be easy for some end users and not require approval from higher levels at a company because the cost is relatively low. This generally makes transactions go quickly.

CON: Some companies may not like the idea of enriching you when you literally just spent $10 to buy the domain name and turned around and asked for $1,000.

PRO: Deals under $1,000 can be done very easily (and quickly) using Paypal, and the cost of escrow is relatively cheap.

CON: New registrations can’t be transferred to a different domain registrar within the first 60 days of registration, which could pose a problem for a buyer.

Ultimately, I think it might be wise for domain investors to try to buy interesting domain names for end user sales slowly and pitch the names to potential buyers. If you find that you aren’t having luck, perhaps hiring a domain consultant (NOT me) might be beneficial. It’s a good idea to hone your domain research, sales, and negotiation skills on lower value domain names before moving up and making more expensive investments.

Selling newly registered domain names is a small aspect of my business, but it’s been enjoyable for me so I am thinking about doing it more frequently as time permits.

Let Me Try & Help You Sell a Newly Registered Domain Name to an End User

A while back, someone emailed me to ask if I could be his mentor. I passed because that seemed like a lot of pressure and I didn’t feel qualified to be a mentor. A lot of people seem to have questions about selling domain names to end users, and while I would never say that I am an expert at it, I have had some success.

With that said, I want to try something unique. I want to work with someone who wants to learn how to sell a domain name to an end user. I will communicate with this person via email, and based on the person’s background and experience he (or she) and I will discuss some available domain names and determine one or two of the best and that person will register the domain names with the hopes of reselling one or both for $500 or less, which I have found to be a fair number.

I will then work with the person to help find potential buyers and craft an email that will hopefully lead to a successful sale. I obviously can’t promise that it will lead to a sale, but hopefully the person I work with will get a good understanding of how I evaluate domain names to buy for resale. The more diverse a person’s “real world” experience is, the better, since this could help with buying great niche domain names.

If this is something that is of interest to you, please post a comment in this article, and when I return from my trip on June 7th, I will create a list of people who are interested and use a random number generator to select the winner. I will also be happy to share the results with everyone – or better yet – the winner will write a guest post about the experience. I am headed out of town tomorrow, so comments may be slow to be approved but I will eventually see and approve them.

Disclaimer: The person will be responsible for buying the domain names and will keep 100% of the proceeds if the domain name sells. He/she will be responsible for completing the sale (payment and domain transfer). The person will be responsible for any issues or problems that come up related to the domain name(s). There is obviously no charge for my services for this opportunity. I will only act as an adviser on this project and can’t be held liable for anything associated with this.

Another End User Sale Detailed

I am not going to share the names of the two domain sales I made this week to protect the privacy of the buyers, but they were both hand registered within the past 7 days, and they sold for $360 and $400. I have a third domain name, which is related to one of the two that sold, and I think that one is going to sell for a little bit less today.

I want to detail the domain sales process for one of the sales, as the second sale was was similar to the first (although it was made after just 2 emails).   For the first sale detailed below, as I was emailing companies based on a Google search of the product, I realized there was an alternate spelling to the product, so I registered that domain phrase too.   As of 11am this morning, I only sold one of these two names, but you’ll see more information below.

My initial email to around 30 companies and people in the business:

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I see that you sell custom xxxxxxxx, and my company is selling the domain name CustomXxxxxxx.com. The domain name is the exact match of the search term, and developing it could provide a SEO boost for your company in this market.

If you are interested in acquiring CustomXxxxxxx.com, please let me know. I am offering it to several xxxxxxxx companies in the next few days. Also, my company owns XXXXXXX.com and will be looking for partner opportunities in the near future, so if you have any ideas on how we could work together, please let me know.
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Half way through the 30 emails I sent, I added a line about the second domain name I bought, mentioning the fact that I own it as well and would sell it. I mentioned one of my domain names that I am looking to partner on, as it’s a very well known name in this particular business and I thought it would give me added credibility.

Out of the 30 or so emails, I received nine replies. Six asked for the price of the first name, one said she wasn’t interested but wanted to know the price, one said she didn’t sell this type of product any longer, and one asked for the price on the second name. I replied to the eight interested people with an email saying the names are $900 for both and it would go to the first person who replies. I didn’t get a positive response to this BIN offer (I got 3 “no thanks” types of replies).

Two days later, I sent out a second email with everyone Blind Carbon Copied:

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I am blind carbon copying the 9 people/companies who have shown an interest in CustomXxxxxxx.com and/or CustomYyyyyyyyy.com. I have opted to drop the price of the domain names to facilitate a quicker sale. Each domain name is just $360 to purchase. The domain names are registered at Moniker, a Florida-based domain registrar. If you would like both domain names, the price for the pair is $600, although I can’t sell the pair if someone agrees to buy one of the domain names first.

The first person to write back and say, “I will take it” will get the domain name. Payment may be made via Paypal.
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One lady replied within an hour and said that she would take the first name for $360, and the name was transferred within a day and payment was made nearly immediately. She opened a Moniker account and didn’t have any issues using them. In less than a week, the profit from the sale was $330 after Paypal fees and the cost of the domain name, and it literally took under 2 hours for all correspondence and research.

This morning, I received an email from the person who wanted to buy the second name, and he offered $500 for both (he also asked how much Moniker charges per year). I replied that I only had one of the names remaining, and I would sell it to him for $250 – and I gave him Moniker’s price. I also let him know I was going away tomorrow so I could hopefully close the deal before I leave. I will provide an update later.

So what did I learn from this and from other recent sales to end users?

  • Looks like sales under $500 are easier to make
  • Domain name should be the exact match .com of a high profit margin product (custom things are generally higher margin)
  • Almost all replies were from individuals or very small businesses
  • I previously mentioned that registering names at Godaddy made a sale easier because everyone knows Godaddy, but it worked fine with the names being at Moniker
  • Focus on one or two names at a time, sell those and repeat the process
  • You might not always get what you want for the names so be flexible in pricing
  • Don’t go for a “home run” with your price
  • Treat everything like a learning experience – test everything from emails to pricing
  • I still love finding new domain names and selling them. Yes, it’s thrilling to buy a $5k name and flip it for $10k, but when I bought the name I knew it was worth more than I was paying. Finding unregistered names that has value is more fun for me although I probably couldn’t run my business simply by doing this.
  • Not all valuable domain names are registered!